Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

topic posted Sat, November 26, 2005 - 8:59 PM by  cosmic-ly craZy
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I see that the topic of crystal meth persists in this community, and I wonder if questions like the ones below have been brought up before. These comments come in reply to reading the beginning of the recent article "Tweaked: Crystal Meth, Sex, & HIV" in the most recent issue (#35) of "Clamor" Magazine. (www.clamormagazine.org)

Here are my thoughts/questions so far:

First, i wonder if this article could be veiwed as a POSITIVE provocation towards radical excellence! Depending on how much quality input we put into Clamor, the authors of its articles, and/or communities around such provokings.

Secondly, I think of looking for the insights of analysis made of propaganda techniques by the Institute For Propaganda Analysis (while remembering that many 'users' of such have "a good education" and may not be conscious of being tooled by "information" from "reputable" sources). Especially in paragraph 4 on page 16. (1)

Thirdly, I think of yet a new parade of domesticated enemies and how people labeled as "tweakers" are largely inarticulate and unprepared for the "good intentions" of those whom are quite willing to mobilize against the alleged menace, while those who ask that people actually *think through* the situation more critically, are labeled as "possible" 'users' or 'pushers'.

So, the hyped-up climate (of "well educated" domesticates) is to follow the "informative" orders of formal, state-subordinated authority. Such a climate indicates that continual interests of encroachment (and mystification) have picked up their pace. In the context of what is going down in current u.s./european political interests, this situation may not be as moot as one might assume.

On the other hand, are there actual *sources* and *studies* named by the "information" outlets which we may investigate? Why or why not? (sidenote to insert here: this Clamor article is an example of the situation between the use of the word 'propaganda' to explain anarchist ideas and the use of the word 'information' to explain dominating ideas)

Fifthly, the "reputable" method to "stop" the apparently bad situation is not thought through too carefully by those claiming autonomous desires. So we are basically to 'follow orders from on high' and instructed in the methods of "tough love"-styled restriction and blocking of people who once were full members of our community making. And we are to automatically defer to and trust this authority--i.e. professional methods of intervention.

Crucially,
we are not led to realize the value of holding onto any authentic, autonomous, "I'm Okay, You're Okay" style bridges which we may've made previously with the person under suspicion, or actually 'caught' in possession of such substances.

Suddenly, they aren't as fully human as the rest of us.

Suddenly, their behavior is reduced to something that cannot be listened to, and cannot have "rational" input to humanity and our projects. All they can do is subordinate while alleged help is administered. This is the prevailing conception, even tho there is evidence to dispute such (2).

Suddenly, we don't *believe* that there's even a *remote possibility* that the mystified 'drug' could be a tool autonomous radicals utilize in a beneficient way, much less a possible *processing method* of being, seeing, or processing towards mutually beneficial outcomes, much less wisdom which we cannot right now conceive of. No, such fantasy is *completely* beyond the collective imagination, or at least what passes for such.

All this *without evidence*, *without critical thought*; we are led to the way of believing that works to destroy and water-down our autonomous experimenting (with community, independent thought, etc.) and solidarity connections with yet another whole group of people. And, decisively, we are 'pushed' to fall back on the alleged importance of 'experts' who are directly subordinate to statecraft.



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further angles to explore:

1) source on propaganda analysis: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inst...a_Analysis

2) on addiction, the despised, imperfect (and oft unknown) dissident psychiatrist Thomas Szasz:
"Do Drugs Cause Addiction?" [PDF file]:
See link at: www.szasz.com/debates.html

3) Noam Chomsky, another despised, imperfect institutional analyst, speaking of this sort of pattern of hype (which always has at least a germ of truth):
excerpt from:
www.zmag.org/chomsky/tal...control.html

[quote]
"You had to crush them to defend yourselves. We have our ways, too. Over the last ten years, every year or two, some major monster is constructed that we have to defend ourselves against. There used to be one that was always available: the Russians. But they're losing their attractiveness as an enemy, and it's getting harder and harder to use that one, so some new ones have to be conjured up... So it was international terrorists and narco-traffickers and crazed Arabs and Saddam Hussein, the new Hitler, is going to conquer the world. They've got to keep coming up, one after another. You frighten the population, terrorize them, intimidate them so that they're too afraid to travel and cower in fear. Then you have a magnificent victory over Grenada, Panama, or some other defenseless Third World army that you can pulverize before you ever bother to look at them -- which is just what happened. That gives relief. We were saved at the last minute. That's one of the ways in which you can keep the bewildered herd from paying attention to what's really going on around them, keep them diverted and controlled...."
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obligatory note by author of overall article:
I do not trust "man-made" or "designer" drugs, but wish to think carefully about the 'given' issues of today. Surely there are serious dangers to using substances, alleged poisons or otherwise, in the context of 'too much' or in the mode of 'typical shallowly-conscious alternative-culture' "consumer" types. On the other hand, if communities feeling "overwhelmed by" such challenges are committed enough to "radical" ways of being and living, I wonder if such situations as these may be "ju-jitsued" into potentially radically excellent articulations and becoming.
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  • Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

    Sun, November 27, 2005 - 1:18 AM
    as someone who has seen it destroy the minds and lives of friends it is difficult for me to accept such a positive spin on a substance that is profoundly antithetical to life itself.
    • Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

      Sun, November 27, 2005 - 7:43 AM
      This is a uniquely different drug than anything else I know of. It must NEVER be thought of as a "recreational drug" that can be used only occasionally. That's how the drug hooks you. Once you do it, and you enjoy it enough to know you'll do it again some day, you're already caught up in it.

      I witness the addiction steal one soul after another and I know I'm powerless to stop it. I can not ring a bell loud enough to get people to listen and take a strong postion against the use of crystal meth ("tina").

      I grieve every day for the friends I've lost to this drug. My ex-lover, whom I cherish as a close brother, is a junkie now. I know some day I'll get "the call"....telling me he is dead. It's horribly real to me.

      I've been "clean" for a long time now. I'm extremely lucky and rare. I do everything within my power to stay away from people who use tina and avoid environments where it's use is taking place. I have to. My Life depends on it.

      Lucian
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    Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

    Sun, November 27, 2005 - 4:02 PM
    Hey Carlos, i have to agree with Mathew. I watched what happened to the once sweet guy that lived with me a few years ago. He re-united with his mother and went right into tweeking with her. The change in him was so dramatic and awfull,never saw anything like it. I've known plenty of drunks [yes,i know i can be one too], junkies and E-tards but i never seen anything like what this shitty chemical can do. All the psycho babble in the world can't gloss over the fact that some chemicals just don't work-like battery acid,arsenic,cyanide & the like. kim
    • Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

      Sat, December 17, 2005 - 11:45 AM
      Kim, when you spoke to me years ago about that situation you called it 'crank'. Isn't that different from 'meth'?

      So have you heard about that sweet guy (i liked him too) since then? What makes his life ruined?

      i'm not trying to deride what you and others say about all this. Didn't i *say* up front that i'm *also* against man-changed drugs? i don't see value in *artificialized* drugs.

      What i'm trying to point out here is that our beliefs about so-called addiction appear to be tooling us and our autonomous projects; now we are giving away our power to all these professionals who have told us that we need to be hysterically afraid of those who use 'meth'. These beliefs and the way this community (like others) has so seemingly uncritically bound us to Given truths (not all-encompassing) are working to water down our strengths via classic 'manufacture of consent' style.

      i think of these people who spout pharmaceutical drugs to deal with the alleged evils of hard drug use and i think of a vast conveyer belt in the air, with tongs holding these propagandized people in their teeth, dipping them into giant vats of *the latest thing or way to fear* (i.e. YOU BETTER FEAR METH USERS!), while cursing out the "bad" (naughty) critical thinker.

      It's the same damn pattern every time.

      But who's going to listen until it happens to them?

      You of all people should understand this same old pattern.

      So what am i missing from your perspective?

      Missing you after all these years. Wish you'd give me some way of staying in touch. How's Dr.Spot?
  • Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

    Sun, November 27, 2005 - 9:48 PM
    I would add my testimony to those of Matthew, Lucian and Kim. I have seen what it has done to those close to me, many others not so close as well. It isn't pretty, or excellent, or even radical... It's just terriblely sad.

    I've been on the Tina trip myself. I have been off it for three years now. My teeth are falling out because of that trip. I still have them all, it's just that several of them are lined up on my desk, looking for all the world like a miniture grave yard.

    I ask all of the readers of this post, as well as you caRLosity... Does this sound like the above paragraph...

    "All this *without evidence*, *without critical thought*; we are led to the way of believing that works to destroy and water-down our autonomous experimenting (with community, independent thought, etc.) and solidarity connections with yet another whole group of people. And, decisively, we are 'pushed' to fall back on the alleged importance of 'experts' who are directly subordinate to statecraft. "

    ????????????

    Are we who have posted repies "experts"? No. But we are experienced. Are we "subordinate to statecraft"? I'm not, nor in my opinion are Lucian or Kim, Matthew I haven't met yet (hope too), but he doesn't strike me as subordinate either.

    When i was younger I said, "But all my friends are doing it!", My mother replied, "If they jumped off a bridge, would you follow them?"

    caRLosity, you are the friend on the side of a bridge, jump if you want to. This is truelly your choice. But don't ask me to follow. I'll be to busy asking my friends to step away from that same bridge.

    Lee
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    Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

    Mon, November 28, 2005 - 10:26 AM
    I am always suspicious when a large group of people all have the same strong opinion about something. It's important to me in those moments to listen to everyone and honor the dissenting voices, rather than just jumping on the bandwagon. Personally, I must admit that I have very little experience with this drug, so I plead ignorance. I don't really need to have an opinion about it one way or the other. All I hear Carlosity saying is let's keep the circle open, so that we may hear all of the voices around this subject. When there is such overwhelming opinion in one direction, it can be difficult for anyone with a different viewpoint to speak.

    I respect all honest and authentic voices. I also respect the right of individuals and groups to have clear boundaries around this drug. If you know how you feel about meth and you just don't want it in your life, then you have every right to determine that for yourself.

    Personally, I'd like to dig a little deeper, beyond the question of the nature of the drug. Given that many people intersecting with our faerie community do have self-destructive behavior, what is the motivation here? What is going on inside the person who chooses to engage in behaviors that are going to ultimate wreck their lives?

    We all do it to some extent, so there's no pointing fingers. The drug culture in the gay culture is not new. To me, it seems like an obvious coping mechanism. For many gay men not completely out of the closet, drugs help to lower inhibitions and suppress the inner voice of homophobia and self-hatred. It can be an excuse, a way to blame gay sex on something other than their own queerness. In addition, I think many gay people are more susceptible to peer pressure. We already don't feel accepted on a social level, so participating in activities that are going to make us feel or appear socially accepted become attractive. And then there's the hopelessness that many queers feel. If we can't feel loved in this world, then why not go out with a bang?

    All of these social factors are slowly changing. But regardless of how fast or how much society changes, we tend to get stuck in the emotional reality of those crucial developmental moments in our lives when we first knew we were gay, and felt slammed as a result.

    More listening, more feeling, more healing...

    Love,
    Boom
    • Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

      Mon, November 28, 2005 - 1:37 PM
      "More listening, more feeling, more healing... "

      Thanx for the reminder Boom.

      Some of us have pretty strong feelings on this subject. Personally I can't imagine that my views will ever change. But I can't reasonably expect others to hear my message, if I seem unwilling to listen to thier's.

      Once again, Thanx, Lee
      • Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

        Tue, November 29, 2005 - 6:16 AM
        www.latimes.com/news/print...34969.story

        I just read this article and wondered if anyone had heard of this or tried it as a useful tool to stop using meth. The nutshell is they are saying tha bupropion (Wellbutrin) is being used in trials to determine its ability to help reduce the cravings like it does with tobacco.
        • Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

          Tue, November 29, 2005 - 9:07 AM
          Will you "cut and paste" the article for us, Love? The hyperlink takes me to a login window.

          thanks!
          • Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

            Tue, November 29, 2005 - 10:48 AM
            Here is a similar article that I just found a few minutes ago:

            First Human Tests Of Antidepressant Bupropion As Methamphetamine Addiction Treatment Hold Promise

            A new study led by researchers at UCLA's Semel Institute suggests the antidepressant bupropion may help treat methamphetamine addiction. No medications presently are approved for treating methamphetamine addicts.

            Appearing Nov. 23 as an advance online publication of the peer-reviewed journal Neuropsychopharmacology, the study finds bupropion blunts the methamphetamine "high" and reduces cravings prompted by visual cues such as ambient drug use.

            The research team hypothesizes that bupropion reduces the effects of methamphetamine by preventing the drug from entering brain cells, where methamphetamine can produce release of neurotransmitters that cause feelings of euphoria.

            The study is the first to examine the effectiveness of bupropion for treating methamphetamine addiction in humans. A multisite Phase II clinical trial led by UCLA researchers is in progress.

            "Finding new, effective ways to treat methamphetamine addiction is a key component of bringing the ongoing epidemic of abuse under control," said Dr. Thomas F. Newton, the study's principal investigator and professor at the Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior.

            "Bupropion's novel effect on the brain is what makes this line of research so promising," added Newton, who also is a professor of psychiatry and biobehavioral sciences at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA. "These findings may point the way toward medications with even greater potential to be helpful."

            Twenty of 26 participants enrolled in the project completed the study. Participants were active methamphetamine users between ages 18 and 45. Researchers randomly assigned each participant to receive treatment either with a placebo -- an inactive ingredient such as a sugar pill -- or bupropion.

            Each participant received a series of three intravenous doses of methamphetamine as the study began and a second, identical series of doses six days after treatment with placebo or bupropion began.

            Using a variety of subjective rating scales and questionnaires, participants reported on the subjective effects of the methamphetamine use at baseline and again after treatment with placebo or bupropion. Subjects who took the medication reported a lesser high after treatment.

            Each set of research subjects reported similarly on cravings, both at baseline and after treatment, after watching a video with actors portraying methamphetamine use. Subjects who took bupropion reported less intense craving.


            ###

            Note: Bupropion is sold under the commercial name "Wellbutrin." I have been on it for four years. I do not use Meth, and never have, but Bupropion has really helped me manage my depression and other problems. There are side effects though.

            The study was funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse. Other members of the research team included Richard De La Garza II and Timothy Fong of UCLA's Semel Institute and Geffen School of Medicine; John D. Roache and Christopher L. Wallace of the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio; and Shou-Hua Li, Ahmed Elkashef, Nora Chiang and Roberta Kahn at the National Institute on Drug Abuse in Bethesda, Md.
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      Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

      Wed, November 30, 2005 - 4:50 AM
      Hi Boom, I have an extreme reaction to this drug because of my personal experiance with someone who was close to me using it and watching him go down with it. And the changes really happen fast. I see what you are saying here but it took a few days to come around to be open to hearing. I also feel somewhat of a hypocrite with regards to my own alcohol/tobbaco use. kim
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      Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

      Mon, December 19, 2005 - 7:53 AM
      so what makes an "authentic & honest voice"? Do you hand out the certificates of authenticity?Or do you have a special stamp?Mabe you should go try this drug.
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        Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

        Mon, December 19, 2005 - 10:14 AM
        It is completely subjective. Although, if you say you're being authentic, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. :)

        I have tried similar substances, if not the crystal that is on the market today. Hard stimulants do not do much for me, and make me feel terrible the next day. So I have no interest in trying it these days. I already have enough vices! ;)

        Boom-D
      • Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

        Mon, December 19, 2005 - 5:37 PM
        An "authentic & honest voice" is one that we trust through one on one experience with that person, whether it's our own inner voice or that of a friend. Maybe we should try crystal. Maybe we should try all drugs before making judgments. But maybe we should also jump off a bridge, as that is also something "authentic & honest" voices have encouraged me not to do. We do personally certify authenticity when it comes to the voices we hear. There's a big difference between "Reefer Madness" and a friend who comes to me in turmoil, or another who shares with me negative experiences. I've heard enough on both sides of this story to avoid crystal. I know enough people with those feathers in their caps to know I don't need to add one to mine. But it seems it will remain easily available and everyone will make their own decision about it.
  • San Fran Community Forum about Crystal Meth

    Wed, November 30, 2005 - 3:04 PM
    hi all,

    i know that not many of us are in the san fran bay area, but i wanted to forward this from the bayareafaeries list in case faeries are able to attend.

    hugz,

    la moderatrix.


    Hi Faeries. This Sunday December 4, Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco will host a community forum and a healing service focused on crystal methamphetamine in the queer community. Here's
    the info if you're interested:

    mccsf.org/workshop04Dec05.html
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    Crystal Meth Awareness Campaign

    Community Forum: Deconstructing Meth: Deconstructing Me
    When: 4:00 P.M. Sunday, December 4, 2005
    Where: Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco
    150 Eureka Street (between 18th & 19th Streets in the Castro)
    More Info: 415-863-4434

    This workshop is offered to community organizations and local
    churches who want to engage in an intelligent and candid dialogue about crystal meth in the GLBT community, rural communities, and in vulnerable populations of women and teenagers. The workshop creates a safe space to talk about the crystal meth epidemic. This is not a recovery program, but rather a consciousness raising experience about living with, working with and responding to crystal meth.

    The speaker and facilitator for this forum is Joshua Love, Sexual Healing Educator. Joshua is a member of MCC of the Rockies, Denver, Colorado, and son of of Rev. Dr. Cindi Love, Executive Director of MCC Churches.

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    MCCSF Launches Awareness Campaign
    When: 7:00 P.M. Sunday,
    December 4, 2005
    Where: Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco
    150 Eureka Street (between 18th & 19th Streets in the Castro)

    Join us on December 4th at our 7 pm Sunday Celebration to hear Joshua Love’s own story: The Valley of Meth. Joshua will share his personal journey through crystal meth addiction and HIV seroconversion. Plan to join us for this special service and invite your friends and beloveds.

    Rev. Penny Nixon and MCCSF will launch our campaign to bring healing and awareness to the crystal meth epidemic in our communities.

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    • Re: San Fran Community Forum about Crystal Meth

      Wed, November 30, 2005 - 3:27 PM
      I think some of the early experiments with LSD focused on addiction relief, mostly with alchohol, but I wonder what the effects are on meth addicts? Or psilocybin?

      Also, I know it's not really the same, but the "crack epidemic" in SF in the late 80s/early 90s seem to abate when medical marijuana saturated the town. I personally witnessed addicts partaking in the sacred weed - it seemed to fulfill something that the crack ripped open.
      • Re: San Fran Community Forum about Crystal Meth

        Wed, November 30, 2005 - 5:33 PM
        You're still just trading one addiction for another. Why do people need to do anything at all? Because they don't want to FEEL.
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          Re: San Fran Community Forum about Crystal Meth

          Thu, December 1, 2005 - 9:43 AM
          I've never heard of LSD addiction before. But I suppose anything can be addictive, even a 12-step program. It's all about choosing the nicer addiction. Addicted to feeling??

          :) DR
          • Re: San Fran Community Forum about Crystal Meth

            Thu, December 1, 2005 - 12:18 PM
            I'm addicted to life - I can't seem to kick the habit!
            • Re: San Fran Community Forum about Crystal Meth

              Thu, December 1, 2005 - 12:24 PM
              Nicely put, Jon!

              You know, in the long run, that's really what it comes down to. I'd rather be addicted to and in love with Life. THAT, more than anything,....is what saved me.
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                Re: San Fran Community Forum about Crystal Meth

                Thu, December 8, 2005 - 9:15 AM
                well i was tottaly addicted to meth for years and i kicked the habit without a 12 step program, all i needed were some good friends,adult swim,and some decent weed and i was fine, although it was a fucking rough couple of months. been clean now for about 1 year and everyone keeps congratulating me about how good i look and (was down to 115 lbs at 6'2 in height) and on having rebuilt myself by holding down a job and you know its just the best fucking feeling, i would urge anyone else to do the same, but they wont listen,something you have to come across on your own.
                • Re: San Fran Community Forum about Crystal Meth

                  Sat, January 7, 2006 - 3:26 PM
                  [quote]i was tottaly addicted to meth for years and i kicked the habit without a 12 step program, all i needed were some good friends,adult swim,and some decent weed and i was fine, although it was a fucking rough couple of months.[/quote]

                  J.J., i am not surprised that you were able to escape the allegedly "impossible" grip of mystified "addiction" which all the crucially uncritical splash everywhere, for interesting reasons, not usually, i'd wager, in ways that they are aware (i.e. systematic attacks on autonomy, no grey areas allowed).

                  Notably, the *importance* of community **getting closer** rather than further apart--as too often advocated by those who buy so apparently uncritically into the therapeutic game, with professionals "healing" all of our "ills" and us just continuing to give away our power and further weaken our attempts at autonomous existence.

                  i'll just add the following info i found while engaged in this discussion elsewhere; surely some stuff to chew on for the general audience, and perhaps yourself as well! :

                  _The Myth of Addiction_. Here in the prologue section:

                  "...as the following chapters will attempt to show, our beliefs about drugs and drug users are largely inaccurate. We choose to believe in helpless junkies and evil pushers primarily because we want to believe in them, and because such beliefs serve functions for us. The helpless junkie only exists because we all want him/her to exist; and because drug research continues to make naive use of what people say about their addictions. It is now imperative that we start to view research based on what drug-users say about themselves in its true light; and in consequence, to expect something more dynamic and positive from those of us who encounter drug problems. The interrelationship of IV drug use with HIV/AIDS makes
                  such a new dynamic and purposive perspective essential.
                  (....)
                  And in chapter 4 (i guess):

                  "...craving is an alternative word which we can use to describe an experience of discomfort, and an accompanying desire to curtail or avoid it. If we examine craving from a Kelley-type standpoint, it looks as though a craving explanation is offered in circumstances where i) people consistently choose to reduce their discomfort, and ii) there is a consensus
                  belief about the biological determinants of the discomfort. Thus, whilst drug users 'crave' (have to have) drugs and hungry people 'crave' food, people merely 'want' colour T.V. sets or holidays in Venice. The use of the word 'craving' is an interesting exercise in attribution, and its primary purpose is to convey how we are intended to perceive the addiction process. It refers to the fact that sometimes people feel a strong desire to use, or use more of, their preferred drug, but it gives the impression of an autonomous force whose power cannot be resisted; hence its attraction. In fact, whether people resist the experience depends on whether they have good reasons, or no good reasons, for doing so. People in the dentist's chair have a craving to get up and leave; but by and large they stay put.

                  "'Craving for cocaine or heroin may, like craving for nicotine in a smoker who has been nicotine free for many years, simply be triggered by memories of past experience. Like a cat that has tasted fish, a human that (sic) has tasted cocaine may be unwilling to give up the hope of repeating the experience. If this view is correct, then it may be more appropriate
                  to look for the biological correlate of craving in the neurobiology of memory, and not in the neurobiology of positive reinforcement.'

                  "Wise (op cit) thus implies strongly that craving derives not from some drugrelated change to the reinforcement mechanisms of the brain which turns a 'want to' into a 'have to'; but more mundanely from people's simple recollections that some experience was pleasurable the last time it occurred, coupled to the hope that it might happen again. In other words, a 'want' deriving from the normal everyday pharmacology of memory; not a 'have to' underlaid by some alien drug-induced pharmacology."

                  quotes from here (if you must have authority) :
                  Wise (1990), in an account of 'Reward Pathways and Drug 'Craving' ' (pp 43-45) ( WISE, R.A. The role of reward pathways in the development of drug dependence. In Balfour, D.J.K., Psychotropic Drugs of Abuse. New York: Pergamon, 1990. )

                  One well-organized link out of a few:
                  www.druglibrary.org/special/...ction.htm
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    • If you are dealing with an addiction you may be told the big lie that you are powerless and that the ONLY answer is the faith healing approach of 12 step programs. The most important step in stopping an addiction is self will. Let me repeat that. The most important step in stopping an addiction is self will.

      You are not powerless over the voluntairy act of putting a substance into your body. Will power is the key. Having a good support system of friends and family is also important. If you need some counseling there are many therapists around who are not married to the 12 step approach.

      We use substances because they produce a feeling of pleasure. Seeking pleasure is not in and of itself a character defect. Runaway use of substances causes bad behavior and self destructive thinking. Once you stop using the addictive substance your other problems tend to fade away and you can approach those problems with a clear head. The most difficult part is facing life's problems without blotting them out for a few hours with some kind of chemical like booze or meth.

      Once you have stopped using a substance you have by defination achieved sobriety. Becoming sober is a one step process that simply involves stopping use of a substance that is causing you harm. Do not listen to anybody who uses the term "dry drunk" that term is an oxymoron. If you stop using then no more steps are necessary.

      Remember that the Big Book was written in the 1930's and even though we have learned more about addictions since then the Big Book has not changed and is touted as the last and only word on addiction.

      Here are some links to the many alternatives to the 12 steps as well a link to The Orange Papers which take a critical look at AA.
      www.orange-papers.org/orange-links.html
      www.orange-papers.org/menu1.html
      www.orange-papers.org/orange-...ood.html
  • Re: Persisting questions

    Thu, May 7, 2009 - 9:34 AM
    Methamphetamine use and abuse is something that has plagued the queer community for many years.

    New models of support and re-patterning are called for in the future offering new paradigms of possibility for those effected.

    Harm reduction models only provide minimal help in decreasing the ebbs and flows of this particular drug culture.

    The dynamics associated with this toxic substance are unique from other potentially addictive substances and from other stimulants.

    Recidivism in recovery from CM is a strong possibility but there are persuns who have been able to keep clean from this substance in ways that educate and inform others.

    • Re: Persisting questions

      Tue, May 26, 2009 - 5:58 PM
      Updated aticle about the faith healing program called AA: 12 Step Snake Oil
      www.orange-papers.org/orange-...oil.html
      • Re: Persisting questions

        Wed, May 27, 2009 - 7:25 AM
        For me, the issue of meth and the gay community comes down to a single fact.

        Over the last five years I have asked every young, (under 35) POZ gay man I've met, and that's more then 40 boys now, and every one of them sero converted during a time in their lives that they were doing meth.

        EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!

        Hugs,

        Rig Daddy
        • Re: Persisting questions

          Wed, May 27, 2009 - 8:04 AM
          Yes, boundaries and caution become ephemeral when in the throws of this drug. I have seen folks on meth engage in acts they would never have considered with a clear head.
          • Re: Persisting questions

            Fri, August 21, 2009 - 11:06 AM
            i just wonder, would many of the defenders of Gay culture have defended at Stonewall had they had a "clear head"?

            What gets me the most about this topic is how so many faeries subordinate so quickly to whatever Order to sent down from the alleged Experts and their handlers.

            They pitch portions of truth and so many of you seem to dutifully turn on your heels from whatever you are doing, and march. Ignoring and even castigating other truths as they are shared.

            Many have other truths not being heard, and no longer allowed to be heard. Think about that one. Imposed authority tells us other truths are not truths, and we accept this without hardly a peep.

            Good dogs! Here, now have a shiny new psychiatrick pill!
            • Re: Persisting questions

              Wed, September 2, 2009 - 4:30 PM
              Congradulations Cosmic- You are still alive.

              Many of us screamed "NO"! when you started this post, I just did again... my nieghbors heard me, did you? yeah probably not... *sigh*

              We who said no are not experts, but we are experienced. We don't have an aggenda, but we are experienced. We aren't subordinate, but we are experienced. We are not handlers, Meth is.

              Now I must do something difficult. I invite you to either WAKE THE FUCK UP! or guide us with your use.

              If you choose the latter, I will be very sad...
  • Re: Persisting questions on crystal meth fear

    Fri, October 2, 2009 - 11:38 PM
    my profound and well informed hatred of meth and those who spread it comes form personal life experience. I need no authority to see that which is as obvious as the rising sun. Your style of discourse I have encounterd manytimes among those who would defend the indefensible

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