In the Shadow of Community

topic posted Fri, June 27, 2008 - 11:30 PM by  danzante
Hi Faeries, I just have to get this off my chest. I've been around Faeries for over 10 years now, and have played my role - a not insignificant one, sometimes - in Faerie culture. I got the ball rolling with the Men Dancing Naked dances in Portland, which ran for about 5 years. I've hosted and/or facilitated many heart circles, and have tried to authentically let my truth spill forth in circle. I've DJ'd dances and created ritual and cooked meals and most of all, tried to listen and be a valuable member of community. I've lent my sweat and my heart to many projects, culminating in the Vancouver Green Body Gathering (VGBG). I did all this whilst the whole time trying to keep the focus off of any personal glory - this is true. I tried not to do things with ego, but simply because I could - my hands were capable, and there was work to be done - and because my spiritual path seemed to lead me into the role of organizer. That's it - just trying to use the gifts I was given.

VGBG was resoundingly, astoundingly successful. One of the difficulties for me, in fact, was that I felt like my role as "queen registrar" got overly polished, and I spent much of the Gathering wishing people would stop making such a big deal out of my contribution - though it would never have happened without same. I appreciated the ego-strokes but, really, I just wanted so much to go back to being danzante, everyfaerie, and not Danzante the Queen Registrar. It wasn't the accolades I sought but the rewards - like brotherhood, spirituality, family, love...

Then the issues began... It's too long ago and too far away for a blow-by-blow but events happened, personal misunderstandings - I tried, over and over to be a peacemaker, and over and over I got abused for my efforts. I kept these peace-making efforts to myself (and of course the other person involved) because I wanted so much NOT to play this drama out in community, lessening harm to any other. But these personal misunderstandings got magnified into a big community schism and this character was born, Evil Danzante, this cipher that continues to show up to this day, which I guess is why I'm writing this. I've been told to my face that I am a whole plethora of terrible, evil motivations, and each time I've had to work hard, with my emotional judo, to rise above the drama.

I'm not playing the victim - elder faeries who've sat in community for years, who I respect with all my heart, who've personally been there to witness this evolve over the years have spoken with me passionately to try and reassure me that all this drama was NOT ABOUT ME. I've been to 4 different Gatherings since the big schism, and each time, I've gone with open heart, and then WHAM within the first hour, usually, I've gotten hit in the face with this Evil Danzante character again. Like introducing myself to someone with smiles and a "Hi! I'm Danzante!" and getting "Oh, I know who you are" (half sneer, hooded eyes, not kind). Or, while running around like mad trying to finish a lovely opening dinner and getting "Well Dear, you do have a history..." (with the accusation that I was intentionally trying to cook food I knew someone couldn't eat - ewwwww, small, hateful...)

So here comes Breitenbush again, and I think of going and I think to myself, "OK but you better be prepared". Then I think what kind of community IS this? Where is my commitment? I live a life of depth and, to the best of my ability, honesty, and I wonder why I should sweat and invest in this community where I have to be so concerned with protecting myself from attack. At what point do these people invest in something deeper, in themselves, in all of us. Is it my role as elder to live in an unsafe environment, but to live in the light anyway? The hopeful side of me says yes, though another side of me says my dignity demands more.

Harry Hay talked about this Brotherhood, a historical tribe to which we all belonged. We have always been the healers and the shamans and the lovers. That depressed-minority-rip-each-other-to-shreds mentality that we found - created! - in the bars was hetero-imitative. We had been driven to it by secrecy, by shame, and we needed to shed the ugly green frog skin and become Faerie Princes all, to claim our birthright as a loving, spiritual people. We didn't have to invent this, we only had to remember it!

This rang so true for me, and I was so excited to share it when I found my true love, a good man who had spent his life in stewardship of others, like the kids in the high school where he worked - particularly the queer ones! - or as in the way he took care of his family, but a man nevertheless who was rejected by this hetero-imitative gay male "community". I was so excited to share with this man a world of gay men who had risen above all that stuff, and who had reclaimed their birthright, and who would honor him for the person he was, and for a while, and occasionally, when we visit our family in Portland, who still seems to be doing well (despite seperatism there, too).

Now where is my commitment? I am committed to my local faerie community, about ten of us who are a tight-knit family, though there's a whole other side to the Vancouver community who've chosen to seperate themselves - tearing us apart, again. (Question: Why has the BB Call, with a Vancouver QR, appeared in all the Northwest radical faerie e-mail lists, EXCEPT the Vancouver one?) It's happened in Portland, it's happened in Seattle, it happens and happens and it's all the same cloth. When shall we rise above?

A friend of mine says all social movements have to self-destruct before they are rebuilt in a lasting way. I hope this isn't true for us...

When shall we remember ourselves? Where do I place my heart?
posted by:
danzante
Portland
  • Re: In the Shadow of Community

    Sat, June 28, 2008 - 4:59 AM
    Greetings,

    I am thinking it is all in what type of energy you are seeking to attract. If your looking to shed the "Evil" image then your going to have to fight tooth and nail to kill that image and bury it far on the outskirts of town. That will be difficult for sure. If your looking for an easier path you could play up the "Evil" image and embrace all the energy it attracts. Bad fairies are every bit as lovable as good fairies in my book.

    I live by a motto of "If the truth hurts, don't live it!". With a follow up of "Live life, never apologize". Those two sayings keep me cognizant of my own accountability of my actions. So, I try like the bajeebas to not do anything that I cannot own up to with a smile and a wave. For instance when your confronted with "Hi! I'm Danzante!" and getting "Oh, I know who you are" (half sneer, hooded eyes, not kind). Or, while running around like mad trying to finish a lovely opening dinner and getting "Well Dear, you do have a history..." You can either fight it or embrace it.

    Neither choice is easy but, for me, accepting a hug is always better than taking a punch.

    Esteban
    In (Judy)Garland, TX where hopeully the Goddess will bless us with some much needed rain very soon.
  • No good deed goes unpunished!

    Sat, June 28, 2008 - 8:00 AM
    As a faerie who will experience a Saturn return amongst them next spring, I'd say your experience
    is about par for the course.

    One thing that the faeries are really really good at is projecting their issues onto
    someone else and you may notice
    I have been targeted frequently and recently raked over the coals
    in this very forum
    for advocating gay male separate spaces...

    The Tibetans create deities for this purpose of dealing with their
    inner demons, but then when they are done, they
    return them to the void. It''s this last step that many faeric practitioners seem to miss.
    • Re: No good deed goes unpunished!

      Tue, July 8, 2008 - 6:43 AM
      Artwit,

      I don't always understand you, but I always cherish you, your wisdom, your insight, your spirit!

      Also, I hope you are doing well. I haven't seen you in *ages* (my bad... been doing AmeriCorps and it has taken over my life... *eep*!).

      When I was going through my first Saturn Return, I had the honor and privilege of doing it with someone who was undergoing her second Return. I wish you all the kindnesses and patience you can muster towards yourself.

      "The Tibetans create deities for this purpose of dealing with their
      inner demons, but then when they are done, they
      return them to the void. "

      Amen.

      re: post

      It occurs to me that sometimes, there is no fighting others impression of you. All you can do is do good works and let that speak for you. Largely, I don't understand this latest issue. However, I do know what it is like to have a reputation that proceeds you, whether you earned it or not, and having to deal with people who can only see you within certain limited contexts. But the trick is to not internalize that. Not to be bothered by them calling you "Evil" -- better bitches know, right?
    • Re: No good deed goes unpunished!

      Sun, July 27, 2008 - 9:01 AM
      Most of us carry more baggage that Celine Dion tour
      • Celine Dione and her baggage

        Sun, July 27, 2008 - 10:04 AM
        It's such a drag when others' baggage clashes with one's own.
        On the other hand, it can be a real joy when one connect with other's with complimentary baggage.
        Life can be such a difficult journey, and sometimes we can forget to pack everything we need.
        • Re: Celine Dione and her baggage

          Tue, July 29, 2008 - 5:46 PM
          we all have our baggage and I certainly have mine. sometimes we need to take separate paths.
          • Re: Celine Dione and her baggage

            Tue, July 29, 2008 - 7:32 PM
            Just remember, they now charge for baggage on the airplane! Usually $15 a bag, $25 for the second bag! It's good to travel lightly..
            • Re: Erykah Badu and her baggage

              Wed, July 30, 2008 - 2:12 PM
              Hee, you remind me of Erykah Badu.

              She has a song called "Bag Lady" from her sophomore album, Mama's Gun (and yes, it is *brilliant* and if you don't own it, you are sleeping on something really miraculous!).
              ***


              Bag lady you gone hurt your back
              Dragging all them bags like that
              I guess nobody ever told you
              All you must hold on to
              Is you, is you, is you

              One day all them bags gone get in your way
              One day all them bags gone get in your way
              I said one day all them bags gone get in your way
              One Day all them bags gone get in your way
              So pack light
              Pack light
              Pack light
              Ooh ooh

              Bag lady you gone miss your bus
              You can't hurry up
              Cause you got too much stuff
              When they see you comin
              Niggas, they go runnin
              (From you it's true oh yes they do)

              One day he gone say you crowdin my space
              One day he gone say you crowdin my space
              I said one day he gone say you crowdin my space
              One day he gone say you crowdin my space
              So pack light
              Pack light
              Pack light
              Ooh ooh

              Girl I know sometimes it's hard
              And we can't let go
              Oh when someone hurts you oh so bad inside
              You can't deny it; you can't stop crying
              So oh, oh, oh
              If you start breathin
              You won't believe it
              You'll feel so much better
              (So much better baby)

              Bag lady
              Let it go, let it go, let it go, let it go
              Ooh, ooh
              Girl you don't need it
              I betcha love can make it better
              Betcha love can make it better
              Betcha love can make it better
              (Need someone to love you right)
              Betcha love can make it better
              (I betcha love, betcha love)
              Betcha love can make it better
              Betcha love can make it better
              Betcha love can make it better
              Betcha love can make it better
              (I betcha love, betcha love)
              Betcha love can make it better
              (I betcha love, I betcha love, oh)
              Betcha love can make it better
              Betcha love can make it better
              (Oh...)
              Betcha love can make it better...

              Bag lady, hmm
              Let it go, let it go, let it go, let it go
              Girl you don't need that, hmm
  • Re: In the Shadow of Community

    Sun, June 29, 2008 - 12:52 PM
    I dont know you so I cant speak to your situation. I can only share my experience.

    Lately, I've felt disconnected from the whole faerie experience. Its not been just recently, maybe the last 3 years. Part of it is that my local group isnt very active. The other part is that in all the faerie groups Ive visited people dont seem to be here to uplift each other like they used to. I miss the days when we did things for each other, and with each other. Not just when we really NEEDED it, but also when we were doing it just because we loved each other.

    Its a little silly but I am holding on to the past. I will find a way to find what I am looking for within the Faerie organization because I truly do love my fellow faeries. Maybe Im a dinosaur from the past too, at age 31 lol

    I just want to say to you all, that despite not knowing some of you, I truly do love you and care what happens in your life.


    Love and Light,

    Whisper (Tim)
    • Re: In the Shadow of Community

      Mon, June 30, 2008 - 2:03 PM
      I wasn't feelin the whole faerie thing for a while either. Then I stepped back, disengaged for a while and took a look at myself.

      And realized that I wasn't a 'radical faerie' although i been wearing the costume for many years. i realized that i had to strip away the sparkly glittery faerie princess drag to uncover the slimy warty frogunderneath (Thanks to Kevin SueWAYLoo for the image reversal). I realized that many faeries tend to essentialize their ideals, for example by assuming that subject-SUBJECT consciousness is a given. Instead of talking about values and ideals, there's alot of assumptions.

      Once i'd found myself and realized i wasn't a faerie, i was able to go to gatherings and be myself without trying to fit in, without expecting others to be a certain way.... (This was really helpful when some faeries insist on calling me "qween" or "gurl" or "faggot" after I've asked not to be called those names....)

      I encourage people to consider letting go of being gay and queer-identified for a while. And to look at being (Fill-in-the-blank-with-your-personal-priority)-identified for a time.
      Instead of a "Radical Faerie" try being a "Radical (Fill-in-the-Blank)" at your next gathering and see where it takes you....
  • Re: In the Shadow of Community

    Mon, June 30, 2008 - 8:07 PM
    ... IN 1977 eye frist met the faeries... so many creative folks are gone now..... it seems that back then, helping each other was a really a big part of it.. now its is more about good looks and fancty drag....then u have folks like ker selfless love with out any one looking!!! now thats jusy magic......it hurts to belive in something and then it, to be taken over by us and them mindset.....yet i will try to be a part of this community.. no matter what.... thank u one or 2 bad fruits will not mess up this ambrosha! love ya keep breathing and talking !
    • Re: In the Shadow of Community

      Tue, August 5, 2008 - 3:18 AM
      This is why some of us still yammer on about subject/subject consciousness.
      As in:

      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


      Subject-SUBJECT consciousness, a concept proposed by Harry Hay believed by Hay to be queer people's unique perspective on the world. Hay saw heterosexual society existing in a subject-object dynamic; where men, who had the culturally acceptable power, saw only themselves as subject and therefore higher than women, who were treated as objects and property. Hay extrapolated this interpersonal-sexual dynamic (male-power:female-subordinate) into a broader social context, believing that the subject-object relationship was the driving force behind most all of societies ills. Objectification served as a barrier, emotionally separating an individual (subject) from another individual by dehumanizing them, making them object.

      When Hay looked at homosexual relationships, however, he saw a different dynamic at work. He believed that homosexual relationships were based on mutual respect and empathy for the other, a longing for a companion who was as equally valuable as the self. Hay termed this interpersonal-sexual dynamic subject-SUBJECT (which Hay capitalized for emphasis in all of his writings). He believed that this subject-SUBJECT way of viewing the world was queer people's most valuable contribution to the greater society. By empathizing with all people, relating to each other as equal to equal, society would change drastically and social injustices would be eradicated.
  • crowned hir majesty of journeys

    Tue, August 5, 2008 - 5:51 PM
    i think i'll share my two cents, so to speak. i know Danzante, btw, and i support his efforts in thoughtfulness towards and within our extended communities.

    I'm thinking that perhaps some of us NEED to take people like these Danzante mentions (in the negative). And that this may not be a terrible thing, if ceremonialized constructively somehow.

    What if, for example, we had not a "talent show" or a "no-talent show" but something like "a drama show"; where each of us took out our most heavy baggage and arted ourselves into going thru it on stage, while audience members...um...do our best (including mocking behavior).

    Basically, i'm thinking about how R.D. Laing the radical professional psychiatrist who was allegedly "anti-psychiatrist"; he had a famous approach to difficulties in living: Instead of restricting such difficulties, he advocated that his patients/clients go through their difficulties in some kind of *journey*.

    What if we could reproduce such a thing in some sort of faerie fabulous way?

    i know i could use something like this, myself!

    Images coming to mind: Something along the lines of the SMS Empress energy given to each participant all day before the event. Even a crowning ceremony (for Miss Queen Baggage for a Day)! And folks fawning over us, for having the sheer courage to go on such a journey so openly!

    i for one would like to explore this option. Anyone else?

    Note: i'm not trying to put Danzante down; not at all. i'm merely trying to jiu-jitsu the usual pattern of "poor me" that i *also* fall back on from time to time. The "poor me" that never gets truly evolved via the means we've been playing with (to my knowledge, so limited i know!) so far.

    What do you thinc?
    • Re: crowned journeys

      Wed, August 6, 2008 - 9:57 AM
      What a fun proposition Cosmic-ly Crazy !!!

      Most talent shows no matter what they are called, need to spin off into their own new form because the crowd always wants more and wants it new and now. Drama Shows are a dime a dozen these days with all the voyeurs and exhibitionists doing their short attention span dance. Feature me now, bitch its my turn. Whatever Mary. Cathartic drama actually works when people attending are voluntary and not feeling it pointed at anyone.

      Reminds me of a real-time context some queen proposed a few seasons back called the Shock Circle.

      It goes something .. like this. A group of faeries (preferably ones who know one another) sit in a circle with their backs facing inward to form the Shock Circle. The vibe monitor queen does the guided-imagry grounding whoha and then rings a bell.
      Then a consensus nominated control queen starts the dynamic into the circle where each goes around one at a time shreiks something that frustrates them about themself, about others, about life in general out loud, outside of the circle, into the unknown.
      One at a time. Around only once. In an orderly fashion, slapping gently the knee of the next when their rant has spewed to completion. The only rule is you cant shriek anyone or any incriminating situation by name. Because if Some-queen becomes That-queen ... who happens to be in the circle .. well then thats just her karma and not passive aggressive. Its art. And when its over everyone goes back to normal.
      The Shock Circle would be fund for those who like to lie. You know, "Ive got this friend who has this issue ... yada yada yada.
      But overall the exercise would be a way to feel catharsis for all persuns who might feel the universe had been / has been shrieking things at them. Cant you just feel your stress pealing away at the thought of such a scene?

      Ill bet more people would come to the Shock Circle more than to the Heart Circle or the First and Second-Chakra Circle combined.

      It doesnt seem like a circle that would be possible in cyberspace or by instant messaging either. We all know what a cruel and unjust world those can be.


      angelfood for thought,

      H
      • Re: crowned journeys

        Wed, August 6, 2008 - 5:16 PM
        Sounds like one way to do thangz, 'kay.

        Has anyone heard of "The Game", btw? It is a card "game" made up of circular cards. Basically, it's the best vehicle i've seen (i've played it) for having a kind of dialogue with one's fellows. Highly recommended. There's the cards "lightning bolt" where one can challenge the speaker, and so on. I don't recall all of the cards off-hand. There's a website that sells this game, anyone know of it?
      • Re: crowned journeys

        Wed, August 6, 2008 - 5:59 PM
        What about just calling each other out on our bullshit?
        That would seem to be a bit more "real" and honest than what usually goes on in many circles.
        It seems we have to candy coast it rather than being honest about our issues we may have with each other and ourselves..
        It's just not considered"faerie" to be truthful about someones behavior which may be hurting themselves or the community. It frustrates me to no end at times, but I roll with it..

        Don't we owe each other some honesty?

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